Christmas is supposed to be about the birth of Jesus, the Savior of the world. But it’s easy to miss that with all the parties, gifts, commercials, food, and lights. Much of it is good fun, but what happens when it distracts us from the real joy of Christmas? Ryan Lehtinen sits down with Aaron Lutz and Lance Lawson to talk about how to they try (and sometimes fail) to focus their families’ hearts on Jesus in this season.

*Spoiler Alert: Beliefs about Santa Claus are discussed. If you have any young listeners within earshot, you might want to listen to this episode at another time. If you still believe in Santa, what you’re about to hear is going to be devastating.